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I have posted a new request for CheckUser. Thanks, Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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I wish to re-assume this role. Can you make that happen?--Bddpaux (talk) 22:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

(Not the user but...) Cromium has not edited here in more than 7 months, and hasn't made a reasonable amounts of edits in nearly 9. Nothing anywhere in 2 months. I doubt you'll recieve a response any time soon. @Bddpaux:Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 23:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: So much for retirement! You'll need a formal request at WN:RFP. We can fast-track it if at least a couple of regulars agree. [₂₄Cr][talk] 07:55, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Request to desysop TUFKAAP

Hey there. You're still a bureaucrat, huh? I hope you review this ASAP: Wikinews:Requests for permissions/Removal/TUFKAAP. George Ho (talk) 04:08, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Blood Red Sandman's reviewer tools under review

If interested, you may wanna review this: Wikinews:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions/Blood Red Sandman (removal). George Ho (talk) 04:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you

For your great work cleaning up around here!!! BigKrow (talk) 01:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Some needed admin assistance

There was some vandalism of BigKrow's talk page last month. A history of sorts is here: User_talk:Michael.C.Wright#My_user_talk_page. The cliff notes: can you merge the current talk page with the original talk page that was moved? There are some badges on the original, as well as block discussions.

When I looked into it, the current talk page was blank so a deletion would have been easier. Now there is a thread on the current page that may need merged. Are you able to somehow merge the two and retain all the history?

Thanks in advance. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 01:53, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you both!!! BigKrow (talk) 01:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

@Michael.C.Wright, BigKrow: - unfortunately, I don't think it woukd be possible to merge the two. I've copied the original text to the current talk page. That should at least give some semblance of normality. [₂₄Cr][talk] 14:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. —Michael.C.Wright (^Talk/_Published) 14:10, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

I hope you're proud of yourself

In the past 72 hours, I've been accused of being "emotional" (I wasn't) but I damn sure am now. In 16 freaking years, I haven't been emotional here. But I am now. There was a noted lack of consensus on whether or not we could reach a consensus (we could have). The whole business could've just sat, broiling at 200-degrees and maybe by the end of June, a sane mature decision could've been reached. Hell, I could've simply been the Fall guy -- 'Bddpaux acted a bit too fast, lesson learned, but let's help this new Reviewer along and just see where things go.' But no: you tantrum'd your way into ginning up what you wanted to see and in so doing, have poisoned what might've been a smart, good Reporter/Reviewer around this place. I doubt that person will drop a key stroke here in the next 6 months. You but barely poke your nose in here since December 1st and then choose this little axe to grind. One User in this process would oppose the sun coming up tomorrow!! --and you blend that in to your consensus. I was a bit optimistic. I acted a bit too quickly.
But... You do know that it is SUPER EASY to run people away from this place, don't you?! I was hoping to avoid that. I deeply (spiritually, existentially) believe in Citizen journalism -- it is good and righteous and holy. You literally, pointedly and actively SHAT UPON my actions. I have tried to unretire. I was a bit tired last year and took a bit of a sabbatical. I am, deeply and personally profoundly angry at you, as a person -- and have every single right to be. Any Steward (who would take the time to read) would see that I have every right to be. You have harmed this project and how I view it and I will be slow to forget that, whatever the cost. And to clarify: I'm not running away now; far from it. I have seen people come, stay, go, literally die -- and I'm still here. While I still intend to take a short breather -- I will be back here soon: reporting, editing, reviewing, administrating, mentoring etc. etc. etc. -- because this is a good thing, and we do good things here. Any response/rebuttal you might offer can, pre-emptively be burned in an ash pot for all I care. Bddpaux (talk) 17:50, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux: I don't care if you are pissed off. You have a nerve to blame me for your incompetence. You are the one who could not recognise that there was no consensus. You made the mess by not closing the discussion properly. You were downright disrespectful to others in that discussion by saying "quacking and barking". We have been putting up with your rude behaviour for years. I tried to clean up your mess, which by the way I have been doing for years. You still struggle to understand that deleting a page does not automatically delete the talk page. Personally I am sick of deleting talkpages ypu left behind. You have some balls to say I have been off a few months. What were you doung for the last few months? Why are you incapable of dealing with the speedy deletions? When i logged in again a few days ago, there were over 300 speedy deletions sitting in that category. Why are you still an administrator, if you cannot handle these things? I have tried to be as polite as I can but your rudeness has reached a new peak. [₂₄Cr][talk] 18:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bddpaux, Cromium: I know I'm not that experienced here, but I just want to remind everyone to be nice to each other, be civil and not make person attacks. Both of you are extremely helpful good-faith editors trying to do the right thing, please remember that.Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 19:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

@Me Da Wikipedian: - absolutely agree but you need to direct it more at someone who makes a mess and then blames the person who tried to clean up. Before today, you would never have seen so much as a rude word from me but I feel I have spent several days cleaning up messes made by certain others. At the same time, those certain others are busy painting me as lazy because I was not online for a few months and I did not attend to one request for check user. This despite me publicly announcing last year that ill health was slowing me down. I did not make a personal attack until the above comment, which is the most insulting comment I have ever had from a person who is supposedly an administrator. I was a steward for five years and was known for being diplomatic and polite. However, today my patience reached its limit. [₂₄Cr][talk] 22:39, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Neither of you are acting particularly great. Here's my opinion. Bddpaux should understand what a consensus is, and not argue with you and claim that you are trying to, without real evidence, drive away Asheiou. Also, don't dismiss other people with stuff like the "quacking and barking" nonsense. You shouldn't have close Asheiou's request for reviewer as there wasn't exactly consensus against either, and certainly not have immediatly archived it. As someone who tags a lot of these for speedy deletion, Bddpaux should remember to delete the talk pages and give helpful deletion summaries when appropriate.

Bddpaux absolutely should not have left the obnoxious note above. The arguement above is clearly a personal attack. If you do something you realize you did too early, don't get upset if someone else calls you out. Allegations such as "you tantrum'd your way into ginning up what you wanted to see" and you have "poisoned what might've been a smart, good Reporter/Reviewer". Furthermore, Asheiou has stated that they will continue editing and just want the drama to stop, not like " I doubt that person will drop a key stroke here in the next 6 months" and "it is SUPER EASY to run people away from this place, don't you?! I was hoping to avoid that". Besides, people need to be allowed to deny a request for permission without people being upset for driving someone away. Cromium is also a volunteer here. They are under no obligation to be active at all times, and what they choose to do and not is there complete choice, so "You but barely poke your nose in here since December 1st and then choose this little axe to grind" is just nonsense. Where did you get "One User in this process would oppose the sun coming up tomorrow!!" by the way? " have harmed this project and how I view it and I will be slow to forget that, whatever the cost", no they followed proper procedure. If you want that changed this is not the place. And no one is going to "literally die" over this. Cromium is clearly acting in good faith here, has not "SHAT UPON" your actions, and they are trying to help too. Your belief that journalism is "holy" is irrelevant here. So you have no reason to be "deeply and personally profoundly angry at you as a person". And how will you have discussion if "Any response/rebuttal you might offer can, pre-emptively be burned in an ash pot for all I care". yeah, you are absolutely emotional. No steward, I hope, would agree this is allowed.

To Cromium, "I don't care if you are pissed off" is not helpful. Bddpaux is generally a very competent and useful contributor, and a mistake doesn't make them "incomptent". "We have been putting up with your rude behaviour for years" is a bit of a personal attack with only 1 instance I can see. "You have some balls to say I have been off a few months" is nonsense, that's a statement of fact. If you seriously believe they shouldn't been an administrator, here is not the correct venue. And by the way, they are definetly an admin, not a supposed administrator.

I have never seen 2 experienced and trusted users act like this before on any wiki. This is insane. I would like to ask for you to both not interact with each other for a bit (maybe a week or so) to cool off. Also, when I reminded you to be civil, Cromium, please don't continue to attack Bddpaux rather than address what you did. You are both wrong, although I will say that Bddpaux is much worse. If this continues, I will esclate.@Bddpaux, Cromium:Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 23:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Me Da Wikipedian: Your assessment of this would be pretty good, except that there is no ban on personal attacks here, and certainly not a requirement to "AGF" — we have WN:Never assume instead. Bluntness and free discussion are in fact encouraged. Heavy Water (talk) 23:56, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

So you think personal attacks are okay then? I think I can use common sense and say that even if there isn't any formal ban, it shouldn't be done. And I never said there was.

Fact:Cromium has made lots of constructive edits in good-faith

Fact:It's pretty clear Cromium is not trying to undermine the project

I am not assuming good faith, I am noting that Cromium is an editor who acts in good faith and there is no reason to think this case is different@Heavy Water:

"So you think personal attacks are okay then?": Never said that. But people's comments aren't policed so much to ensure they aren't being uncivil. And the lack of an NPA rule means, "We have been putting up with your rude behaviour for years" isn't prohibited like it might be on en.wp. If that is Cromium's view, they should state it. Your example reasoning is compatible with Never assume, as is your comment. But I added mention of it to my comment at the last moment just because I wanted to point that out in case you didn't know. I should've made that clearer. Heavy Water (talk) 00:17, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

I just got around to reading this full thread. I am shocked that two grown adults can argue this forcefully over a difference in opinion. As I mentioned on my own talk page and was referenced by User:Me Da Wikipedian, I don't plan to go anywhere. I still believe in this project and the good it can bring. I don't, however, believe in this level of vitriol towards another editor, another human being, who at the end of the day believes in the same goal. This goes for both of the involved editors. The level of unbridled hatred spewed in this thread is genuinely appalling — if anything here is going to "scare me off", it's going to be the way that people interact when they disagree. I'm going to take a week or so after I write this to reflect, and then I'll be back to be constructive. I hope, for your own sakes, you can at least see the slightest bit of humanity in each other, despite everything that's happened. A.S. Thawley (talk) (calendar) 02:52, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Me Da Wikipedian, Heavy Water, and Asheiou, thank you for the comments. I appreciate your intervention and I agree with much of what you have said. I should not have written some these things but the acidic tone pushed me too far, especially when I was trying to help him out. I fixed his requests for bureaucrat and checkuser (he still does not understsnd how to transclude a page). I have spent a lot of time deleting talk pages orphaned by his deletion of articles. I have also been checking his edit summaries abd hiding ones that contain offensive words. None of that angered me because we are both volunteers. However, I want clarify that Bddpaux SHOULD follow procedures, even if he disagrees with them. With regard to Wikinews:Flagged revisions/Requests for permissions/Asheiou, he should have understood there still was no consensus after three months. If he had read the instructions at the top of the RFP page, it says such requests must stay open for at least a week but there is no maximum. We could have left it open for longer to gather more consensus. Unfortunately, at 17:35 on May 29, he added the reviewer flag prematurely, literally a couple of minutes after adding his support vote. This was the second time that happened in this RFP. What did that do? It undermined the whole process and the confidence in administrators. I noted your comment, Me Da Wikipedian, that two administrators had not understood there was no consensus. Rather than acknowledging he had made a mistake and try to fix it, he resorted to insulting the opinions of others by saying "there is no shortage of chirping, quacking and barking around this place". That is no way to refer to others, particularly as an administrator. It does not mattet if we do not have a civility policy. We shoukd never refer to others in such disparaging terms. I offered a potential solution but that was declined. At that point, it was clear that Bddpaux was not going to correct his error. So, I did what he should have done - removed the flag and closed the discussion. IF it had not involved the erroneous addition of the flag twice, I would have left the discussion open. The result of doing that was the acrimonious comment at the start of this thread and that upset me. The best course of action now is for Asheiou to gain more experience and apply again at a later date. [₂₄Cr][talk] 09:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)